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Date: Jul 20 2008, 17:53 GMT
From: Kelldawg

                   I have a slightly appalling incident to report from my home spot the Potomac River. Yesterday around 5:30  I proceeded to drive to Great Falls Park, Virginia to put on for my daily falls runs which has become an ever common routine of my summer stay at home.  I put in at Fishermans eddy and then worked my way up to the top of the Maryland lines which were still slightly high, the level was 3.1 but seemed higher.  I opted to run Pummel but not the pencil sharpener because it just looked manky and disgusting. When I was doing a quick scout I noticed another boater scouting the Virginia lines and I waved a peace sign. The guy clearly was not a local and his mannerisms just gave away the fact that he had no place being out there.  After boofing the living crap out of Pummel I eddied out above Charlies hole and then proceeded to hike my way through the dried up center lines and to the top of the Virginia lines. I parked my boat at Z-turn rapid and then walked down to see what this guy was doing.  He clearly didn't know the way up the rocks and was moving slower than molasses. When i came nearer to him the first thing I did was ask him whether or not he had been out there before.  In the most unconfident tone this guy who i pegged as being maybe 40 years old said to me,

"uhhh yeah ive been out here before but ive never run anything"

FIRST off this guy is by himself, something that only experienced falls paddlers should ever do and its still shooting yourself in the foot safety wise anyways no matter who your are. Secondly, he was excessively scouting back and forth back and forth with the observation decks packed full of people. Now this guy had crappy gear and was wearing an Old Navy sweater vest underneath his PFD.  He was clearly and completely incompetent even just from distant glances. I told him maybe 3 times that the falls is serious shit and that there are places you just can't go and moves that you need to make or else your day is gonna suck or worse. I said to him that he should come out with experts who knew the lines and set optimal safety and make sure that he was fully ready before running anything.  I nicely told him that he should get his boat and hike back down at which time he said,

"dont be a dick man",

I then told him that I wasn't and I was looking out for him and me and the kayakers access to running the falls.

He continued to ask me stupid questions about technical advice to running the rapids and I told him that if he couldn't figure it out for himself he should hike back down. At this point I was beginning to not give it to this guy soft anymore and I basically started telling him that if he was ready to run the falls lines than he would already know. At no point did i swear at this guy or anything but I suppose my persistence in nicely telling him to get the fuck off the falls triggered him to say " fuck you youre an arrogant prick, thats what you are," which i shook my head to. I told him again that he had no business being out there and then dropped in and ran z-turn and the spout.  I hope I talked him down enough to the point that he hiked down.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Know the hazards of the Potomac RIver and DO NOT attempt to kayak Great Falls unless you know what the hell you are doing or are with expert kayakers.  KNOW THE GUIDLINES of running greatfalls which you can easily read on Americanwhitewater.org, PLEASE DO NOT ruin the access to the falls for all of us who actually know what the hell we are doing and love running the stoutness!
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smile ahhhhhhhhh, remembering why it was good to leave DC. <NT> Bradley New
note localism can be rough ClayW New
feedback Clay you can tell when someone knows what they are doing on Class V snowwrestler New
th_up On localism vawwyakr New
note harder on shore.. ClayW New
feedback Clay Kelldawg New
note and I completely judged him by how apparent I thought his skill was without seeing him paddle <NT> Kelldawg New
smile That's kind of redundant, isn't it? <NT> Dan New
note seems like two people paddling solo aren't really paddling solo... foampiler New
note true but... Kelldawg New
disagree its not who else is out there its who youre with Kelldawg New
note That raft guides die saving their guests? fahimaz7 New
th_up very very valid opposition Kelldawg New
note I think that this was kelldawg's point... benhosofat New
question Why didn't you help him out by showing him the lines, or helping to keep things safe? zElGuapo New
disagree <No Subject> Kelldawg New
smile You did the right thing. bankfull1 New
disagree victim to the river gods???? Kelldawg New
th_up it's a superstitious lot that panders to such simple retribution or reward mtnsport New
note Guiding him down would have been like cocking a gun for... rroberts New
note Glad that we all judge people by their appearances. fahimaz7 New
note <No Subject> Kelldawg New
idea My advice - Try not having a gung-ho ridiculous attitude yourself! <NT> duckypaddler New
th_up <No Subject> Kelldawg New
smile I am sorry but kelldawg is right catchaneddy New
th_up <No Subject> Kelldawg New
th_up Even if the guy did belong there, how would a stranger know it? He's on his own. <NT> ezwater New
note Totally agree! fahimaz7 New
note point taken but honestly thats just ridiculous Kelldawg New
note See indiana pics below of Tom Visnius running a 20 footer at high flows in a duck. <NT> Bradley New
idea You might see me in a ducky! I guess you wouldn't show me down either duckypaddler New
feedback You can't really help someone down the VA lines of Great Falls snowwrestler New
note So did the guy run the drop or not? fahimaz7 New
feedback Who knows? I haven't heard any bad reports, so I would guess not snowwrestler New
sad Its a sad day.... hardboater New
feedback It's not really about access snowwrestler New
note ....and then leave him to fend for himself without knowing if he's going to portage fahimaz7 New
th_up <NT> hardboater New
question Why are you taking this so personally? <NT> snowwrestler New
note I realize that boatertalk can be a place of sarcasm and fun... fahimaz7 New
feedback I think there's just a fundamental question of how best to help someone in that situation snowwrestler New
note <No Subject> Kelldawg New
feedback The thing is he wasn't commited vawwyakr New
note If not for river access, let a self-cleaning oven do its job <NT> krhoads New
note GUIDELINES FOR RUNNING GREAT FALLS of the POTOMAC RIVER Kelldawg New
disagree Great? Falls K-Vez New
disagree Don't argue just to argue like some smart ass 8th grader in civics class Kelldawg New
note You sound exactly like a DC Boater sturpon711 New
smile <No Subject> Kelldawg New
smile Haha... way to further my point, your a joke... K-Vez New
th_up you did the right thing... joeldiesel New
th_up Watch him walk off before you leave him...dont just assume that he'll walk off and leave him. hardboater New
doh old navy sweatervest? hellooooooo, someone call the fashion police roscoepwavetrain New
note The one problem... booneboaterboy New
feedback You might be a dick head... b6 New
note <No Subject> nfbk New
feedback I once told a Pro from Pyhrana how to run a class 3 rapid......(more) jonas_24112 New
note Mike dth New
note <No Subject> nfbk New
sad You did what you could, unfortunately there are dumbasses out there who WILL ruin it for the rest of us. GRITS New
note I have a similar story, only sited at Exit Drop on Tumwater Chrisj New
th_up Good work. <NT> GRITS New
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