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Date: Sep 29 2008, 16:55 GMT
From: SRsteelheader

	Did the LG from Koontz down thru Pure Screaming Hell this weekend for the first time. Level was 2800 cfs. It was quite a big larger than I expected and the biggest water I have been on, but I still had a blast. All of the sites I have seen seem to give different ratings for the rapids. Some sites give Koontz as a class III, while another gives it a rating of class V (none reference flow as a determining factor). Hell, even the AW page gives Koontz as a III on one page and a IV on another. So, my question is, for Koontz to PSH, what are the rapid ratings (at least the major ones)? Thanks, Marc

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my take-Class III with 1 IV donutboy New

Mash (both) & PSH are all standard rated class 4s tickamyer New

Mash and PSH are class IV.   Gnar_Star New

How does length of a rapid increase its difficulty? Wilko New

Longer requires better endurance, longer concentration. <NT> cR@ViN_W@VeS New

I agree with that, but does it make it more difficult to control your boat through each part of a longer rapid? <NT> Wilko New

If you loose your concentration or your energy, YES. Yall_Watch_This New

But by cutting a longer rapid into short pieces, paddling from eddy to eddy... Wilko New

Drop pool or continuous Cl-3...it's still class 3. Guelo New

Is it harder to run an obstacle course after a short jog or a marathon? snowwrestler New

Sure, and thanks for clearing that up: because that doesn't change the difficulty of the obstacle course. Wilko New

Should the class rating reflect difficulty or danger? Flanman2 New

You voice exactly the biggest problems I have with that interpretation of the international WW difficulty scale. Wilko New

So is supposed to be a difficulty scale or danger scale? Flanman2 New

I'm leaning more towards the difficulty scale. Wilko New

But ratings are for everyone, not just the experienced and expert. DangerJudy New

Once again trying to read something in my words that I didn't write, Judy? Wilko New

So how is someone who cannot read water  supposed to be able to use the ratings DangerJudy New

To get a basic impression about a river, like from reading a guidebook. Wilko New

I do not agree.   Without the danger element added to the rating, DangerJudy New

A class III boater should be able to look at the Woodall hole and tell it's a keeper timewarp New

Fine, so don't agree. I don't care what someone else rates a rapid, I'll look and judge for myself. Wilko New

fine DangerJudy New

Let me get this straight, you honestly believe that the rating system is there to protect those who can't read water? Wilko New

I can see both sides Flanman2 New

Bingo <NT> snowwrestler New

You make the mistake of thinking the rapid is being rated. But the rating system is for people snowwrestler New

I make the mistake? Wilko New

One paddler's class 3 can be another paddler's class 4 and vice versa. analogkid70 New

NO! NO! NO! BMan1 New

If perception has no influence why are many previous Class 5's Class 3? <NT> duckypaddler New

He's right, Mr. No. G New

River rating is supposed to be about difficulty and not the skill of the paddler lrcable New

Rating must be a unbiased grade of difficulty and consequences or people will get hurt/killed! shutterbug New

Well said, Larry! <NT> Wilko New

Ratings are supposed to provide a common language BMan1 New

So you interpreted a rapid class IV last year, and this year a class III. What does that say? Wilko New

my response G New

Actually, some of the people here would tell you that I'm more of a Weber kind of guy... Wilko New

No, actually, you're wrong snowwrestler New

Yeah, I see what you're saying.  It makes more sense than what I said. analogkid70 New

Mash (both) and PSH are class IV. Kankles420 New

By definition? So a rapid with consequences is automatically a class IV? Wilko New

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