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Forum: LiquidLounge
Date: Dec 01 2007, 7:28 GMT
From: Spud

Okay, so I want to comment further on my post about habitual liars.  I now truly believe that is what we're dealing with (my wife and I).  I called this post "sensitive venting" because I have no need to tell you the exact situation, but I would like to let off a little steam.  You see, I'm trying to take the high road.  You might know that road.  It is the one where you are the better person, but at the same time, it's hard as hell.  

So, to keep my personal vow to cut this person out of my life for good, I'm going to have to spend a few minutes here releasing some frustrations.  If you don't want to read further, I understand completely.

Okay, so I mentioned liars and how frustrating they are in a post a couple days ago.  Well, I found something even more frustrating, and that is a sympathizer for a habitual liar.  These are the people who are somehow blinded by the habitual liar and believe everything they say.  You know for a fact that they have no idea what they are talking about, but since they didn't actually tell the lie, it's harder to tell them off.  In our case, it's not hard to tell either of them off, but we're just not going to do it.  Every one of our responses just gets us another, completely whacked out, insane response that we can't even fathom.

Let me clue you in on the most frustrating part.  This habitual liar will not confront me.  I am directly involved in all the lies being told, but this person doesn't even understand why I would be angry.  I attempted, two times, to get this person to either email me or call me in regards to a specific situation.  This situation involved this person telling a lie to others, therefore bringing unwanted attention from these other people on to my wife, her mother, and me in a negative manner.  The whole situation at hand is a fallacy.  It never happened.  

So, I tell this person that I am sick of them not taking personal responsibility for their actions.  I urge them to contact me in regards to the matter, and not the usual outlets which they can confide without fear of being called a liar.  What do I get, well, just what I could expect I guess.  The first response, to MY email, went to my wife.  The response had nothing to do with the situation at hand or anything I stated having a problem with.  It was filled with more lies and excuses.  The second attempt at me contacting this person happened after my wife received this email.  I was a lot more agitated this time and the message I wrote showed it (by the way, this person is in China and I don't know how to call them).  I talked a lot about how this person could not face a situation where they simply must take personal responsibility and stop shifting blame.  

This time, the response went to my mother in law.  Not only did it go to her, I specifically talked about how it would in my second message and how unbelievably f-ed up that is.  From past experience, I knew it was coming.  The response wasn't even from the liar.  It was from the liar sympathizer.  This is a person who isn't even involved in the situation, but is steadfast in protecting the liar.  In my emails, I talked about how I knew they would be passed to the sympathizer and how ridiculous that was.  I asked over and over again why the liar couldn't just answer one simple question.  The response my mother in law received had pieces of my emails paraphrased, and quoted.  It was like entering another dimension of absurdity.

I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

I could go on and on and on about what happened, but let me shorten it.  The last message from the liar sympathizer was a brutal attack on my mother in law, who, again, had nothing to do with any of this.  With two emails sent out, one brutal, I have received zero response.  The responses to my emails have been personal attacks on others that are in no way warranted.  The entire problem stems from a lie fabricated by the habitual liar.  The liar sympathizer stepped in to make it 100 times worse.

All in all, feelings are hurt, family dynamics are hurt, if not destroyed, and I am finding it increasingly hard not to speak my mind with a lot of four letter words attached.  

I hope the silence from our end is a lot worse for them then it is for us, because it sucks not to speak my mind.

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note I wondered why you won't talk to me. <NT> rroberts New
smile A liar got us kicked out of our highschool library one time... Dale New
note Lier!!!!!!   You in a library, now that is a fish tale.     <NT> BoatCaptain New
smile Spud said the liar is in China. You "claim" to be in China. Hmmm.... <NT> Dale New
smile and in china you can piss on the side of the street.   There is ying and yang to this whole thing. <NT> BoatCaptain New
note We tend to use parking lots here. <NT> Dale New
th_up dneesh New
question dude are you crazy pills? <NT> roscoepwavetrain New
note The chinese don't believe that there is such a thing as the truth. <NT> BoatCaptain New
th_up It's really hard dealing with these type issues within a family....but the best advice I can give you comes from dneesh New
th_up That would be the high road.  Let them know how you feel and what you are doing about it( ie.  cutting them out) and why RUwet New
feedback Just an observation here. Rahark1 New
note uh Roger.....I can tell you've never dealt with a pathological liar...... dneesh New
th_up We must have the same therapist :) <NT> RUwet New
note Actually, it was a Priest...... dneesh New
smile Okay, just go with telling them to get out of your life! Rahark1 New
note Fuck email, you need to grow some nads and go have a face to face with this asshat jkodadek New
th_up Kick his ass, Seabass! <NT> Pinecricker New
smile I assume you're donating the plane ticket to china? <NT> Elvez New
th_up Yeah, China's a pretty far bike ride away. <NT> RUwet New
note I don't talk to my brother or his baby mamma anymore because of a similar situation... KatieJane New
note Breakdown occurred in my family even though no one qualified as a pathological liar. ezwater New
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