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feedback The people and institutions whose names appear on the paperwork, and NO ONE ELSE!!! New

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Re: question Foreclosure mess: who should take responsibility? julesagogo New
Date: Mar 17 2008, 18:12 GMT
From: rlhartman

Most specifically, NOT the taxpayers of this country.

There is so much disclosure paperwork when taking out a mortgage that I cannot accept that people "didn't know" their payments would increase. And don't answer that there's "too much paperwork, no one could be expected to read all that stuff". The reason it's there in such quantity is because folks complained about too LITTLE disclosure in the past. Can't have it both ways.

Furthermore, when folks couldn't qualify for a traditional mortgage that HAD to tell them something about a different mortgage that somehow, magically, they could qualify for.

Finally, even if you dismiss any premise of responsibility on the part of the borrowers, the lenders (who are supposed to be the "professionals" in these transactions) certainly had to know they were dealing with low-quality borrowers. Their credit scores display it in cold hard numbers, and their need for such financial instruments is a dead giveaway. They were dealing with low quality, ultra high risk borrowers - and they signed the paperwork anyway. They took the chance. It's a free country, they're welcome to strike any deal they want, but it's wrong on every level I can think of to expect the taxpayers to bail them out when things go predictably sour.

Bush & Co. are wrong, the Fed is wrong, basically everyone is wrong. Once again, I must invoke the first rule of whitewater rescue: "Don't be the second victim." Spreading the misery to virtually everyone in the nation does not make things better and won't keep these people in their houses. Those deals should be allowed to die the natural, predictable death they had structured into them - and the rest of us should be left alone.

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more But in some markers, "creative" mortgages are the only way most people can afford a home lrcable New
feedback How come nobody complains about the price of housing in NYC? rlhartman New
note Median home prices for NYC area 462 grand, LA area 593 grand for 4th qtr 2007 lrcable New
smile Do you know anyone from NYC? They complain about it constantly <NT> snowwrestler New
feedback But, as I said, those conditions in NYC, SF, etc. haven't spawned hearings and media coverage... rlhartman New
note Mostly by my estimations... it's more about folks getting their chips called in. decker New
more The crisis isn't about foreclosures, it's about hedge funds and 401k's lrcable New
th_up Exactly -- it's about preserving financial relationships snowwrestler New
more The difference is that in NYC, the value really hasn't changes lrcable New
note I used to live in NYC.  I left in large part because it was expensive. Chrisj New
more Starving actor, huh? Really? snowwrestler New
note Yup. Chrisj New
smile Cool story -- isn't it funny how tech ability creates new paths snowwrestler New
note Yeah, it is. Chrisj New
th_up Me too julesagogo New
note Maybe those markets were overpriced -teledave- New
gack Your last sentence - "I think they should take the loss, not me" - sort of sums it all up, eh? <NT> rlhartman New
idea That's just another way of saying that they can't afford what they're buying. Chrisj New
note I have to agree here. Chrisj New
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