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note That's what they might say, but in reality there isn't much emphasis on small unit tactics. New

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Re: note SNOWWRESTLER.  tell me about Palau <NT> rroberts New
Re: note This should get the cavers' attention Stifler New
Re: note Unflattering info about Col. Chesty Puller in there too. Stifler New
Re: note Yes.  Puller was very good at the battalion level, but not at the division level... rroberts New
Re: note "Goodbye Darkness" is good too.  by Manchester.  However, Puller's personal courage was unquestioned... rroberts New
Re: sad It's a pity that his skill at small scale warfare seems to have disappeared from the normal training of modern troops. Wilko New
Re: note The Corps still emphasises small unit tactics, but there are only 3 divisions. <NT> rroberts New
Date: Jul 25 2008, 11:23 GMT
From: Wilko

Unless you consider anything company sized and over "small unit". That's the same in the Dutch military, where the emphasis still lies on top down command, and moving company sized units as a whole. What I'm talking about is tactics for elements, not platoons or companies, and with NCO's in charge, and not some company or higher officer deciding for everyone where they should be and what should be done. Alas, that doesn't happen in the U.S. Marine Corps & Army nor in the Dutch army, for that matter, as you can read very clearly in some of the former Marine Corps instructor H. John Poole's books on *real* small unit tactics and how they can be used effectively against an enemy that does know how to use them (Japanese, Chinese/North Koreans, VC/NVA, Taleban etc.). :-(

Basically, our western armies have improved the fire power, but not the tactical skill needed, whilst many armies with lower tech weaponry have learned from the past and have started to use *real* small unit tactics to be able to deal with a fire power heavy western army. We might win most of the battles, but that's usually because the opponent doesn't fight but simply melts away when being confronted. They don't rely on fighting to the death for some worthless hill top or other nonessential landmark, and they don't use meaningless numbers such as kill ratio to determine their strength in comparison to their opponent. We're basically not doing much different tactically now than we did in world war 2. :-(

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note No.  You are incorrect.  The Corps basic unit is the fireteam.  4 or 5 guys.  That's the building brick... rroberts New
sad And they were getting very heavy casualties in Falluja, simply because they failed to use those fireteams effectively. Wilko New
note Bullshit!  it's an urban environment.  how the hell are you going to avoid moving through areas with rooftops... rroberts New
warning You can call bullshit all you want, that doesn't make you right. Exactly because there are rooftops... Wilko New
note OK.  Lots of buildings.  do you leap from roof top to roof top?  helio assault?... rroberts New
note The problem is that they are not going through each house.  And there again, if they did... rroberts New
warning Rick, cut that out! Wilko New
note ain't buying it... rroberts New
feedback That's the umptieth time you've talked about "Dresdin". What on earth is Dresdin? Please fille me in... Wilko New
note Dresden, Germany, was firebombed by the Allies in World War II resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties Gordo New
feedback Yeah, I thought that he might have meant that, but there was no battle, no tactics, just bombing of civilians. Wilko New
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