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sad And they were getting very heavy casualties in Falluja, simply because they failed to use those fireteams effectively. New

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Re: note SNOWWRESTLER.  tell me about Palau <NT> rroberts New
Re: note This should get the cavers' attention Stifler New
Re: note Unflattering info about Col. Chesty Puller in there too. Stifler New
Re: note Yes.  Puller was very good at the battalion level, but not at the division level... rroberts New
Re: note "Goodbye Darkness" is good too.  by Manchester.  However, Puller's personal courage was unquestioned... rroberts New
Re: sad It's a pity that his skill at small scale warfare seems to have disappeared from the normal training of modern troops. Wilko New
Re: note The Corps still emphasises small unit tactics, but there are only 3 divisions. <NT> rroberts New
Re: note That's what they might say, but in reality there isn't much emphasis on small unit tactics. Wilko New
Re: note No.  You are incorrect.  The Corps basic unit is the fireteam.  4 or 5 guys.  That's the building brick... rroberts New
Date: Jul 25 2008, 11:51 GMT
From: Wilko

Walking down a couple of streets, getting attacked from rooftops and basements, attacking each house from the bottom up, walking into a trap each time, getting shot at when they reached the next floor, only to realize that they had captured an empty house, because the insurgents had left through the sewers or over planks laid from rooftop to rooftop. They the U.S. troops assaulted the next house from which they were taking fire, with the same scenario happening all over again. The amount of troops used to attack ans clear a house was far greater than a single fireteam, and they went for the straight forward style of attacking whatever poured fire at them. The marines assaulted simultaneously in parallel streets, which the insurgents used to move in between, and then fire at both units, before disappearing again. That way they started friendly firing incidents many times.

So sorry Rick, in theory you're right, in practice they didn't work. I've witnessed Force Recon troops deal with war game scenerio's in a mock up training village, with American-Iraqi people playing the civilians and insurgents. They got hammered every time exactly because of the lack of small scale light infantry tactics. Always relying on helicopters, armoured HUMMV's or even tanks to help them out with superior firepower, instead of using small scale tactics.

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note Bullshit!  it's an urban environment.  how the hell are you going to avoid moving through areas with rooftops... rroberts New
warning You can call bullshit all you want, that doesn't make you right. Exactly because there are rooftops... Wilko New
note OK.  Lots of buildings.  do you leap from roof top to roof top?  helio assault?... rroberts New
note The problem is that they are not going through each house.  And there again, if they did... rroberts New
warning Rick, cut that out! Wilko New
note ain't buying it... rroberts New
feedback That's the umptieth time you've talked about "Dresdin". What on earth is Dresdin? Please fille me in... Wilko New
note Dresden, Germany, was firebombed by the Allies in World War II resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties Gordo New
feedback Yeah, I thought that he might have meant that, but there was no battle, no tactics, just bombing of civilians. Wilko New
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