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Re: note SNOWWRESTLER.  tell me about Palau <NT> rroberts New
Re: note This should get the cavers' attention Stifler New
Re: note Unflattering info about Col. Chesty Puller in there too. Stifler New
Re: note Yes.  Puller was very good at the battalion level, but not at the division level... rroberts New
Re: note "Goodbye Darkness" is good too.  by Manchester.  However, Puller's personal courage was unquestioned... rroberts New
Re: sad It's a pity that his skill at small scale warfare seems to have disappeared from the normal training of modern troops. Wilko New
Re: note The Corps still emphasises small unit tactics, but there are only 3 divisions. <NT> rroberts New
Re: note That's what they might say, but in reality there isn't much emphasis on small unit tactics. Wilko New
Re: note No.  You are incorrect.  The Corps basic unit is the fireteam.  4 or 5 guys.  That's the building brick... rroberts New
Re: sad And they were getting very heavy casualties in Falluja, simply because they failed to use those fireteams effectively. Wilko New
Re: note Bullshit!  it's an urban environment.  how the hell are you going to avoid moving through areas with rooftops... rroberts New
Re: warning You can call bullshit all you want, that doesn't make you right. Exactly because there are rooftops... Wilko New
Re: note OK.  Lots of buildings.  do you leap from roof top to roof top?  helio assault?... rroberts New
Re: note The problem is that they are not going through each house.  And there again, if they did... rroberts New
Date: Jul 25 2008, 15:35 GMT
From: Wilko

You're usually a nice and decent guy and all, but one more childish and nonsensical remark about me screaming murder or whatever nonsense you make up to try to derail a decent discussion about tactics into a name calling contest and I'll toss you in a killfile!

Now back to the discussion: You're not listening to what I'm saying, and trying to put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
I don't claim that they need to assault every house. I was talking about the houses that they did assault. The insurgents in Falluja had usually one safe house every couple of houses. with very few per block. Since the layout of these houses is very similar, the assault through the front door means first barging in through the walled yard, then into the lower floor, taking bullets from upper stories. When they stormed in, they caught booby traps, grenades being tossed down from above, shots through the floors and ceilings, in which small holes had been made. The troops then had to fight up all the way. That's not the smart way to clear a building!
Attacking from the next door houses' roofs, maybe even through the sewers as well as through the front door would be a lot more effective (no-one being able to escape as easily), making it a lot more difficult to take out as many U.S. troops as they did now.

Your remark about using helicopters and Black Hawk down is not relevant. There is a simple staircase in most Falluja houses, which will even get heavily laden troops all the way to the roof of the house... That's the simplest way to reach a roof. Bring some ladders or planks, and you're able to cross roofs.







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note ain't buying it... rroberts New
feedback That's the umptieth time you've talked about "Dresdin". What on earth is Dresdin? Please fille me in... Wilko New
note Dresden, Germany, was firebombed by the Allies in World War II resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties Gordo New
feedback Yeah, I thought that he might have meant that, but there was no battle, no tactics, just bombing of civilians. Wilko New
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