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Date: Mar 09 2006, 14:46 GMT
From: Heineho

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I don't even know what that is.  Lemme go to Wikipedia... <NT> Turtle81 New

Check out the movie (or book) "Motorcycle Diaries" <NT> Pinecricker New

Sure, I'm a socialist. Jesus told me it was a good idea. Luke 3:11, "He who has two coats... SirFlipsALot New

nice burn. <NT> GCA_Steve New

Nice cheap shot, but remember: the first relief into Katrina was faith based organizations. <NT> rroberts New

i don't think that was a shot at Christians was it? <NT> possum New

If you're including rescue in "relief" it was actually FEMA who was first on the scene Gordo New

Wasn't it the far right that ended welfare? WWJD? Or rather WWNGD? SirFlipsALot New

Actually it was WJC who signed the Welfare Reform legislation. <NT> Gordo New

But it wasn't his idea. It was the right wing who wrote the legislation. <NT> SirFlipsALot New

Actually, it doesn't get much more socialiast than universal health care. And that was all Bill. SirFlipsALot New

Like most elected Democrats these days... russellfork New

Gordo New

WW'tJD? russellfork New

Damn straight! <NT> SirFlipsALot New

and probalby thumb his nose at the other side too ronzo New

see my post above about today's elected democrats... russellfork New

hmmm so we get him a BJ and the troubles end???? ronzo New

unfortunately, gwb clearly has no dick... russellfork New

ahhh - so the puzzle finially comes together now ronzo New

Or maybe he would beat the crap out of them. Mark 11:15... SirFlipsALot New

He also had something to say about taking sides. Revelations 3-15 SirFlipsALot New

Plus, those organizations had the duty to responf, since God caused the hurricane because of gay people, evidently... SirFlipsALot New

I think it was Harry Anderson who had a great quote on Katrina being God's wrath Gordo New

When your government dismantles capable experienced institutions for that purpose, who else is going to fill the void? VPZenManagement New

Faith based orgs operate perfectly as supplements, not replacements to organized accountable government functions <NT> VPZenManagement New

Actually, wasn't the first rescue crew into NO a group of (socialist) Canadians? Pinecricker New

There's a lot of difference between socialism and helping the poor and ... davegg New

Yeah, I was waiting for that. I'm a democratic socialist, based on the modern european model. <NT> SirFlipsALot New

re: democratic socialist -- I'm not but I am willing to accept the results of ... davegg New

But those issues are only a problem if you're a greedy capitalist. SirFlipsALot New

re: health, food, etc -- Without economic growth you can't fund these ... davegg New

half right...you can't fund these programs AND russellfork New

Well LBJ proved that in the 60's when he tried to fight the war in ... davegg New

good point, but i don't see much difference in johnson's great russellfork New

I don't see why you couldn't fund these with current productivity. What's a little stagnation? SirFlipsALot New

re: status quo -- Because nothing is static and the status quo is always in davegg New

Man, this thread got long in a hurry.  Sorry I misssed it!  She-IT.  And Kuthe.  Man, what... rroberts New

If I was a Christian, it would surely be a tough spot to decide who to vote for... StankBooty New

Che was much closer to Jesus than what passes for "Christianity" Billy_bob New

Bullshit. I'm not a Biblical scholar but I really don't think you can find ... davegg New

thank you, once again, for the voice of reason <NT> PeterJ New

How so? It may not be in the Bible, but "Christians" do those very deeds! <NT> spry New

Oh?  Where's the evidence of that? <NT> rroberts New

American christians did in fact massacre thousands of indian women and children in the name of God.... Heineho New

I was trying to lead you into mentioning the latest prison scandal in Iraq, but you... rroberts New

The original comparison was between Che and Jesus not between ... davegg New

Many are attracted to him as a nonconformist symbol, instead of his fight for the marginalized and oppressed VPZenManagement New

that's right on...and speaking of Jesus, it's essentially no different.... spry New

re: the equity and justice Che fought -- That's unmitigated bullshit. Che ... davegg New

you forgot that Che operated in countries that already had dictators running them VPZenManagement New

Name one country in which Che helped create a democratically elected govt. Having ... davegg New

it is tempting to sit back in our easy chairs and VPZenManagement New

I think you are judging Che based on what he accomplished rather than what he fought for.   VPZenManagement New

So what i take away from this is that what he did is more important than what he did.... rroberts New

That translates to "the end justifies the means" which was the common ... davegg New

Take your 2 stated criteria: was a democracy installed, and were people killed, to judge Bush:  evil or good? VPZenManagement New

So in other words, you're saying that che being a homocidal maniac because his motives were pure... rroberts New

i'm looking for refills for my Pinochet Pen & Pencil Set if anyone has any. <NT> roscoepwavetrain New

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