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note I respectfully disagree that this is not the proper venue for this discussion, this is exactly what RZ was created for New

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Re: note Judge Dismisses Case Against Park Service rich.p New
Re: note So What Does it Really Mean, Blanche??? rich.p New
Re: note I have a question about the 50/50 launch allocation Gordo New
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Date: Dec 01 2007, 14:42 GMT
From: Gordo

Gordo
I do appreciate the feedback, but I hope that Tom did not misunderstand my question as a statement, I have no perspective here and I'm trying to gain one. As a five time veteran of the Grand Canyon, all private trips with another launch scheduled for next August, I'm concerned about what the future holds for my continued participation.

Already I've seen my access to the river cut to one launch per calendar year, which is disappointing because I was looking forward to helping out on more trips once I retire in two years. On one trip I was on, one of the participants was only off the river 3 weeks before our launch and was scheduled to launch again just 5 weeks after we took off. I'm not sure I wanted to go that frequently, but having an experienced veteran on a GC trip can't be a disadvantage, can it?

I am a little concerned about being relegated to winter boating on the canyon. After all, historically the river has been known to freeze solid enough at Lee's Ferry to allow wagons and stock to cross. What if I show up for a January launch and the river is impassible due to ice? I'm not put off by the prospect of rowing in the cold, I'm from Missouri where our local boating season is from November to May, and I've done day trips where I've had to portage by kayak around frozen flatwater. That, I'm willing to do. I'm not willing to portage a ton of Riken, frame and gear around ice bridges on the GC.

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note <No Subject> rich.p New
note Ice Gordo New
note Cold but not sold, and your access impereled TomMartin New
note An adverse ruling and a book do not an injustice correct TomMartin New
note I do agree with Rich on one aspect of venue, it's clear that this discussion has gone on elsewhere. Gordo New
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note Brilliant Idea and a One Sentance Position statement TomMartin New
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note Not Bad TomMartin New
note Details rich.p New
note You have to save the document in RTF, THEN copy and paste from the saved document Gordo New
note Rich, don't worry... Pinecricker New
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note <No Subject> Pinecricker New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note Lots to comment on: Here's the agreement TomMartin New
note Here We Go Again rich.p New
note Agreement good for at least 6 more years TomMartin New
note My appologies TomMartin New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note Rank and File vote on the arbitration TomMartin New
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note Union example TomMartin New
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note wilderness and access TomMartin New
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note Some facts: TomMartin New
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note I am a lawyer and I read the decision and I don't think you are mirage New
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note I stand by my statement. <NT> mirage New
note 4 way agreement missed out 17 other groups TomMartin New
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note Simplisity and the Pill TomMartin New
note Quick Follow-up rich.p New
question Question for Tom Gordo New
note National Park, Wilderness and River Traffic TomMartin New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note You can't side step the facts TomMartin New
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question Wilderness designation itself would not prevent motors from being grandfathered Gordo New
note That's for Congress to decide TomMartin New
question Is the issue the motors themselves or the fact that most motorized traffic is commercial? Gordo New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note It's Both TomMartin New
question A couple more questions for you Gordo New
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note That is similar to the verbiage used for motor use in the Main Salmon Gordo New
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note I don't know if you missed it Gordo New
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note Motors are still allowed in the Everglades too, unfortunately. <NT> Pinecricker New
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