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Re: note Judge Dismisses Case Against Park Service rich.p New
Re: note So What Does it Really Mean, Blanche??? rich.p New
Re: note I have a question about the 50/50 launch allocation Gordo New
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Re: note I respectfully disagree that this is not the proper venue for this discussion, this is exactly what RZ was created for Gordo New
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Re: note Rich, don't worry... Pinecricker New
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Date: Dec 03 2007, 2:06 GMT
From: TomMartin

So Rich, don't forget that for the next 8 years the GCPBA MUST:

Defend the CRMP in court against the RRFW lawsuit, including;

A doubling in the number of launches for private boaters (in the fall, spring and winter);

Parity in user-days with commercial passengers (in a system that went to launches, and gives many less launches to the do-it-yourselfers in the summer);

Substitution of a lottery for a 20+ year waiting list (Even the NPS estimates the wait to win the lottery will be the same as the wait on the witing list. It's a "Change the permit sysytem" concept instead of changing the summertime access ratios);

A guarantee that un-used launches and user-days won't be reallocated to the outfitters (what unused allocation? The GCPBA also suports not shifting un-used commercial allocation to the non-commercilas);

A shorter motor season (Yes, a shorter motor season that has resulted in MORE motorized watercraft on the river);

A ten year agreement to oppose wilderness protection for the river.

A ten year suport of 14,000 commercial passengers being able to raft the Canyon in the summer when only 2,000 do-it-yourselfers get the same oppertunity.

An assumption that the trashing of the river's wilderness character and an obfuscation of the ratio of real people and real dates to the summer season will somehow go away if RRFW loses in the courts.

Yours, Tom

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note <No Subject> rich.p New
note I am a lawyer and I read the decision and I don't think you are mirage New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note I stand by my statement. <NT> mirage New
note 4 way agreement missed out 17 other groups TomMartin New
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note Simplisity and the Pill TomMartin New
note Quick Follow-up rich.p New
question Question for Tom Gordo New
note National Park, Wilderness and River Traffic TomMartin New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note You can't side step the facts TomMartin New
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question Wilderness designation itself would not prevent motors from being grandfathered Gordo New
note That's for Congress to decide TomMartin New
question Is the issue the motors themselves or the fact that most motorized traffic is commercial? Gordo New
note <No Subject> rich.p New
note It's Both TomMartin New
question A couple more questions for you Gordo New
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note That is similar to the verbiage used for motor use in the Main Salmon Gordo New
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note I don't know if you missed it Gordo New
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note Motors are still allowed in the Everglades too, unfortunately. <NT> Pinecricker New
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